Hi all.

Just thought I'd mention that our company is to be visited t-row by a MS "development evangelist". We plan to discuss how to utilise up and coming ms technoligies (vs 2005, longhorn etc), and since the MS guy is also interested in code gen, I plan to spend a small amount of time talking through our use of LLBLGen in our asp.net web apps.

Should be intersting...I'll post anything note-worthy here!

Looking forward to hear how it went!

Hi Frans,

Well, it was interesting... We ended up not having much time to talk about the use of O/R mappers generally, so all I can post that is of interest/relevance is this:

Apparently MS are aware of an apparent increasing interest in OR mappers. The guy had not seen LLBL before so was interested to know what it does in a nutshell. I brought up ObjectSpaces, and asked him about that, and the reply was that it was not being canned, but that there was some thinking about how it would fit in with winFS, so it had gone back to the drawing board. He said it absolutely would be out, but not for a good long time...Apparently it as been available as a simple OR mapper for some time, but what ot does doesn't seem to be compatible with MS's view of the future..

That may or may not be of interest, I'd be interested to get your take on this Frans (unless you're busy pushing polygons around on your spray-painted Ami500 )

PS Did you ever do any AMOS.....ah the language of dreams

MattWoberts wrote:

Hi Frans,

Well, it was interesting... We ended up not having much time to talk about the use of O/R mappers generally, so all I can post that is of interest/relevance is this:

Apparently MS are aware of an apparent increasing interest in OR mappers. The guy had not seen LLBL before so was interested to know what it does in a nutshell. I brought up ObjectSpaces, and asked him about that, and the reply was that it was not being canned, but that there was some thinking about how it would fit in with winFS, so it had gone back to the drawing board. He said it absolutely would be out, but not for a good long time...Apparently it as been available as a simple OR mapper for some time, but what ot does doesn't seem to be compatible with MS's view of the future..

Well, if I read http://weblogs.asp.net/aconrad/archive/2004/06/23/164207.aspx, it is not known anymore as a 'product', but is / will be completely merged into WinFS . I'm totally unsure what MS wants with WinFS, as it more and more looks like it is going to be the database for local applications, which will kill SqlServer sales...

That may or may not be of interest, I'd be interested to get your take on this Frans (unless you're busy pushing polygons around on your spray-painted Ami500 )

haha polygons on an A500 . 24 poly-glenzvectors perhaps hehe . No, my A500 is catching dust.

PS Did you ever do any AMOS.....ah the language of dreams

Noo, just 68000 assembler in Zeka and AsmOne. It was great fun, using the blitter to copy new indexes onto code running in parallel which plotted pixels I learned a lot about precalculation and how to optimize software.

Otis wrote:

Well, if I read http://weblogs.asp.net/aconrad/archive/2004/06/23/164207.aspx, it is not known anymore as a 'product', but is / will be completely merged into WinFS . I'm totally unsure what MS wants with WinFS, as it more and more looks like it is going to be the database for local applications, which will kill SqlServer sales...

Yeah, I'm a bit confused about the whole winfs objectspaces thing....I'm not holding my breath for anything at the moment... Why would MS want to release another db? They invest a huge amount into sql server, its very odd....

Noo, just 68000 assembler in Zeka and AsmOne. It was great fun, using the blitter to copy new indexes onto code running in parallel which plotted pixels I learned a lot about precalculation and how to optimize software.

I stayed pretty basic - used to play with AMOS a lot and then realised it was a bit mickey mouse and started using "E" (an Amiga freeware implementation of C). I used to spend hours downloading demo's from AmiNet on my 14k modem, maybe I got some of yours....

Yeah..Confusing - Why would MS want to release another db? They have Access for desktops and SQL Server for desktops and high end servers? Win FS is a database-like file system - that means it links files together? or does it refer to the actual OS's File System?...Sound to much like a disaster wanting to happen...

Maybe they are planning to ditch Access? Nah! they wont do that....would they? Not with a File System?

I was not that lucky to own an Amiga. - My friends had Amiga's but swapped them for PC's a few years later...

I started of with a little ZX Spectrum in 1986 - was only 7 years old . Did my first ever BASIC programming on in.(If you can call that programming?) and 2 years later progresses to the latest 286 20Mhz with 1MB RAM!!! - Wow!

My Amiga had 1Meg of Ram

It was modded with all sorts of high-tech stuff, I spent over a thousand pound getting extra memory, hard drives, and cd drives to hamd off my amiga!! Then I sold it all for 100 quid

My 286 had a 512K Video Card - Double WOW!!

Did you get different versions of Amiga's - what happened to them.

I had a friend that was playing Sim City on Amiga long before it came out for PC.

I think they SHOULD can access... Perhaps an Access's successor could be based on WinFS?

I actually read somewhere, cant remember where, that MSDE is actually accesses replacement. In that future that is, but i dont know how true that is. That is why you can use MSDE with the access program.